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Re: How do you buy your milk?

Subject: Re: How do you buy your milk?
by CantaExigo on 2010/2/13 1:08:27

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Mopiece wrote:
Actually, it doesn't raise that many questions. You can NOT compare the effects of milk on mice to humans. We use mice to study genetics, not anything to do with organs. Just because it effects mice doesn't mean it'll do anything to humans. If it was from a different animal that has similar bodies to ours, then that would be a different story.

It was never an issue on how many questions were raised, just that they were.

Furthermore, you are very much mistaken in the assumption that their usage is limited only to genetics.

We do use mice to study organs, because they are actually arranged in a way that is very similar to the way humans are. In fact, drug testing is performed on mice, with very similar results. Mice exhibit the same symptoms of drunkness, for example. In addition, mice who are given morphine do not feel their tails being tipped into boiling water XD

It just goes to show that size doesn't matter. When you get down to the biochemistry, rats are actually very good predictors of human function.

Of course, nothing conclusive, but yes, the questions are raised.

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Mopiece wrote:
It's not that irrelevant at all. The point you're making is cow milk is unhealthy, and soy milk is healthy and people should drink soy milk. However, you have not been able to point to any correlations that milk is bad for people.

I don't understand why you insist on saying that, especially when I have clarified several times that this is not the case.

In interpreting what I say, you essentially have two options:

1. You can believe that I had a purpose, and perhaps I was not clear enough on what that purpose was, and now, I am trying to clarify things such that they make sense.

2. You can believe that there was no misconception, that you are right in describing what I was trying to convey. The conclusion is that I am insane.

If you're going to pick #2, then there won't be much reason left to go on further, that is, if you choose to hear what you want to hear and not what I'm actually trying to say. If you're going to speak for me, that takes the fun out of a discussion, doesn't it

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My main goal is and always was that milk was being portrayed in a deceiving light. I'm not trying to convince everyone that milk is evil, or that it should be banned, just for people to stop thinking of it as a "healthy food".

Why did I bring up the notion of antibiotics and hormones? To show that milk, like anything, has its dirty laundry. Normally, that's fine, but there's really no use in deluding the public into the false notion that it is a "health food". The consumption of milk is cultural, that's that.

Why did I bring up soy milk? As a comparison. I could have used water, or half a glass of wine as comparison, either would have been healthier than a comparable serving of milk.

Milk is fat in water. In the United States of America, we really don't need to be consuming fat in beverage form. Even two small glasses of 1% skim milk have as much fat and more calories than a twinkie.

Mopiece, instead of trying to describe what you thought I was trying to say, perhaps it would be better if we just tried to move on with the discussion. For a long time, the milk industry has been promoting their calcium and vitamin D, and it isn't any different from me bragging that I have a cell phone or an ipod.

Explain to me why a person who has never consumed milk, should begin drinking milk on a daily basis. If you can answer that, then we have a discussion