@shed: there was another way - he could have got off from his fat emo "no one's listening to me" chair in the sky and actually tell people that if they weren't going to listen to him he would smite them all.

Toss in a few miracles like earth rumblings and volcanos blowing and I guarantee humans would be on their knees. He's god he could have done anything.

But no, he instantly turned to 'kill them all' option.

And think about this: there is no way in heck that everyone would have knew of him in the first place. Native Americans, Africans, Indians, etc. They ALL paid the price just because God was angry at a few disbelievers.

imo, stop trying to justify his acts with 'oh, everyone was evil so it was better every man, woman, child(! even babies can't be saved? why not? at this point, they are extremely malleable and with proper guidance/training/conditioning could be taught to follow god's word unquestioned.), mammal, insect, land organism died'. Look at what he did which was commit the largest human and animal massacre ever. And for what? Because a few humans didn't listen to him and were 'evil'. Who's the evil one here again?

And you're seriously okay with that?

@KTC: and no, i'm not okay with it.

I've admitted that i clearly have doubt on it. Even so, he is the creator, and could do whatever thing to us. Seriously, i used to think that humans and everything in this world are just his living 'toy'. The real believers say that he's the mightiest, even evils(satan, angels, etc.) scared of him. Hence, howcome that humans cannot notice it?

@argoyle: i got it. Trying to direct it onto afterlife topic.

And all by logic, i don't think that there'd be a beautiful heaven for dying. All by, humans even didn't want to keep their OWN life to get their biggest dream and purposes, do they still need to keep on and fight for another round?

(did i blabb so much? I'm sleepy enough, but i think i want to reply it...)

@shed: doubts are good. They make you think.

I'm not sure what you're talking about in the afterlife part- do you mean people committing suicide?

@arggie: fine

@KTC: hn, you got what i meant.

There're people who don't like to life their live and choose to die. Maybe they think that they may fly to their dreamy haven with all of peace, xD..
Or maybe they just too bored with and think that life was so a... burden?

@shed: 6 reasons why ppl commit suicide

Many suicidal people don't think life was boring. Rather the opposite- They think life is very painful and don't want to suffer anymore. They don't realize that death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

@KTC: they also found that their lifes/dreams just became more horrible, and DISAPPOINTING. Which leads them into frustration, depression(of bored) or addicted to drugs(they want a change, a new challenge).

And so, i agree that suiciding themselves may help them the best(if they had gone that far). Even if we asked them to back to their reason, maybe they'd just become leak and weaker. Life without any purpose is nothing. Even your simplest game need something to obtain.

People who have depressed lives are likely to commit suicides if others do. In Micronesia, when one famous guy committed suicide, other victims saw dreams of him calling them.to do the same.
This is Off Topic, you realise that suicide has nothing to do with after life.

We will be able to know if afterlife really exists only after death,IMO.Until then,I think it's useless to talk about it....

@klaus: So just because we don't know bout why exactly, its useless to even discuss it?

I disagree. Questioning everything is really the only way to learn and/or convince yourself that an opinion is right/wrong. The day people stop questioning is the day we lose our individuality.

For example, none of us know if there really gods or not, but the debate's been raging.

@shed: 'Life without any purpose is nothing.'
^ I don't see much problem with thinking life has no purpose. I believe life inherently has no purpose. *shrugs*

@theone: offtopicness noted.

@KTC:
"I believe life inherently has no purpose."
` yes, i agree with.

And just noticed that the 'life without purpose is nothing' was such a dull.
I meant, even in the END -- life wouldn't more/less than a none. Therefore, we, who'd take the play, trying to be useful to others lives. Living our lifes to do many things. That's the purpose(at least).

Then compare it to some ppl who do things, but pretty much a useless, or even give others the crap.

For the offtopicness:
do you really think, if there're really a heaven and hell(basic theory, heaven is a great place, yet hell no), what of this ppl would get?

(p.s.: i've tried to not including anything bout religion and sort, but... *looks above*)

@shed: I didn't understand your paragraph bout life's purpose. Are you saying that humans have to make their own purposes to make life worth living?

"do you really think, if there're really a heaven and hell(basic theory, heaven is a great place, yet hell no), what of this ppl would get?"

^ it would depend what your definition of evil and good is frankly, assuming your following heaven=good people and hell = bad people. Evil and good are extremely subjective. What might be evil to one person can be neutral or good to another person.

KTC,the lust for knowledge brought the world to where it is.Same happened in the past.Too much wish of knowledge can spoil.

@klaus: In my post I wasn't talking about knowledge. I was talking about questions. Accepting something as fact without question makes you a mindless drone in servitude to your master.

As for lust = source: no it didn't. lusting for knowledge doesn't cause problems. For example, a person hungering to learn about the egyptians is harmless. It's what humans do with the knowledge that can cause problems. There's a difference.

@KTC: yep, that's what i meant. Even till the end these lifes are pretty much nothing like you said, we could try to make it worth(my vocabulary went down by days Dx)

for the heaven/hell would they obtain: since almost of ppl already know which is 'right' who could make way to heaven. Just like they are nice, not challenging ppl to do 'bad things'.
And, if you're saying that definition of 'bad' and 'good' these days, then just pick whatever you think it's good/bad. I was directing the question for the ppl who had purpose or not in their life.

@shed: heaven/hell- the problem with that is not everyone agrees what is good and bad.

For example, for there are some people who think just being gay is evil (hence killing them is justified) while there are other people who don't.

And ppl without purpose in their lives doesn't mean they would immediately do good/bad things. For example, I for one don't feel like I have a purpose in life and am just going through the motions. Yet I'm not a mass murderer or anything like that because I have something that resembles morals.

@KTC: yet, i acknowledged it. I knew that everyone's opinions for being a gay(for example) are different. Some say that they're good/bad, but, That's the problem.

Since i think that everyone has their own definition and could choose which good/bad for them or anyelse, then i just need the argument about what they think upon.
But due to my question, i just need to know your OPINIONS bout those ppl who had their life as much as nothing/worthless. It's up to you if you see it as a good/neutral/bad thing.
And yes again, i never saying that having a worthless life(do nothing) is an evil thing. Maybe it's wrong, but i won't go that far to say it's evil, though.

@shed: I didn't understand your post. Are you saying you want opinions on people who've done nothing worthwhile in their lives?

If so, what is your definition of 'worthwhile'? What something is worth can be pretty subjective depending on the object. For example, I love gaming so spending 10+hours gaming is my definition of a good day. However, someone else who doesn't like gaming would see it as a waste of my time.

@KTC: like i've said before, it's how they use their times to do worth things to make their lifes worth. But just warp it into a small summary, like;
this man works everyday, does his responsibility well, and has many friends. But He is not a any god believer(atheist) and drinks alcohol. Do you think he had use his life worthtly or not, and do you think that he'd up to heaven?

It applied to whatever actions, and even to play games over the times. But i believe that you do things beside it, right?

@shed:
I myself do not believe in an afterlife so I don't believe he'll go to heaven or hell as there's no such thing. I believe when we die, that's it. There's no eternal reward/damnation. Regardless of one's actions, he's gonna end up like everything will eventually: dead and eventually forgotten.

As for if he lived his life well: who am I to judge? Again, what I find worthwhile doesn't mean he would also. *shrugs*

Also, under the assumption that heaven/hell existed, atheists are pretty much guaranteed a place in hell for being true nonbelievers lol. It doesn't matter what we do in life.