I am sure the people whom I grief for are fine where they are, yet the thought of them being absent from my world fills me with sorrow. Likewise, my own death matters not to me; but to my loved ones it shall be an unbearable burden.

I don't care what I get into however. The only thing that bugs me now, is that there's a white pixel in the background of this very forum, by the tree above the house. But then it could be heaven or sweet everlasting dreams or even reincarnation or whatever...I don't care. It shall happen. So why fearing?

No, really, I'm pretty excited to know how I'll die. (Oh, weird me.)

Yeah, one priest here says, "People are afraid to die, but everybody wants to go to heaven."

Right? xD

@lumen; yet if that place doesn't exist, there's no point in wanting it

(I am quite happy to not have this impotent threat of hell/heaven over me, them being the major deterrent to bad actions and reward for good actions.

Feels great to know I'm doing stuff because that's just how I am , not because some invisible extremely insecure [understatement of the universe] man in the sky says so.)

Death is a natural part of life so there's no reason to be afraid of it. It's gonna happen and there's nothing to worry about it at the end of the day (ie no heaven/hell to worry about because they don't exist).

I honestly don't care if I die now or later. I would be dead and the dead do not feel. I do care if I die painfully/violently because I don't like pain.

There's no point in fearing your death because you won't be around to experience it.


regarding heaven/hell: Where does it say you'll only get to go there after you die? Pretty much all sins are things that feel good at the moment but make you really unhappy in the long run or hurt others.
plus, if you look up the meaning of repent, it's just a fancy way of saying 'stop it'.
so the bible = world oldest remaining self-help book?

@ryu:

sin = anything against god's rules. which is unfortunately too darn broad of a definition since you got xxx denominations telling one thing is a sin while xxx denominations say it isn't (homosexuality for example).




Edited to remove profanity, even the minor words aren't allowed.
~Mopiece

ok, skipping the controversial ones and the just-plain-made-up-by-people-looking-for-something-to-hate-which-is-in-itself-several-sins ones.

@wolfie: which would be... all of them? lol.

sin is completely subjective and depending on where you are in the bible, god condoned murder, slavery, rape, etc.

...not really.

genocide: the flood.

rape/pillaging/murder:
Zechariah 14:1-2 (King James Version)
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Numbers 31:7-18
14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
slavery: plenty of rules on slaves and when/how to sell/treat them.

women being worst than dirt: everywhere.

incest: Lot.

kids mauling: okay, seriously, do not insult a prophet. he'd curse and get some bears on you.
2 Kings
2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

42 kids? dannnggg. those bears must have been hungry.

seriously, old testament is freaken scary if you take it as the word of god and everything literally happened. As a mythology book, it's pretty standard stuff. As a 'factual' document? um no.

in retrospect, maybe those hellfire preachers have a point. Old Testament God is scary as heck. Good reason to lay low and be a good little sheep lol.

Must you make it so difficult not to reply in a smart-alecky way? Yes the evidence is pretty strong that god doesn't just talk to every yahoo who picks up a fancy hat and that those yahoos 'll still claim some sort of divine right to sin against all logic and reason, and sometimes even fool people in believing them, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I meant stuff like: Don't overwork yourself just don't be lazy; honor your parents; don't kill; don't cheat; don't steal; don't lie to hurt someone; don't get jealous of what others have.

@wolfie: don't kill/steal = doesn't make any sense within the context of the bible.

*points at the raping/pillaging/killing/etc.* According to the bible, its perfectly okay if you have a good enough reason ie, god told you. Which ya know, is sufficient reasoning to make anything okay, even the rape.

lusting over another's wife: okay, i'll give you that since god was ticked at david for trying to get the mack on with another dude's wife. But the others? naw.

What context is that? The context of some yahoo, claiming to follow god, getting to decide what god is ok with with no proof or much evidence? That doesn't override the messages god sent with Moses or Jesus.

God's messengers would do some pretty unique things, Moses had his halo, and the stuff he did with water, Jesus had his healing, Gabriel was an angel, and so on. Some king making oaths that force him to sin can't overrule them on what's ok and what isn't.

@KTC:
The likings are just the same as we shoot serial killers or terrorist or anyone who's condemned at great fault. Umm,
let's say it as punishment.


And David being the one who's mentioned as he stole one's wife cuz there're rules already mentioned earlier with Moses. Besides, will it worth to tell stories about that in bible?

@Wolphie:
KTC was saying that even human can get approval when they killed other, but as we all know killing others is forbidden and a sin.

@wolfie: many of those 'yahoo's were prophets of god in the actual bible. And some of the stories in the bible I'm quoting from are from the people of god.

I don't see the reasoning of being able to 'pick and choose' what you want from the bible as the entire bible is supposedly the word of god. And seeing as Jesus did not (sadly) invalidate the old testament, that means the old testament is fair game to be used as a guide to what sin is/isn't. Why is one part of the bible invalidated while others are not?

The bible has plenty of people that rape/kill with no consequences as long as God says so or you have god's approval. Hence, one can conclude that as long as you have god's approval, any possibly sinful behavior such as killing/genocide are perfectly acceptable and will not add to your sin counter in any way.

@shed: King david was also the dude who killed 200 guys for their foreskins (the part you cut off during circumcision) so he could marry Saul's daughter. How's that for a wedding gift. What happened to 'You shall not kill'?

1 Samuel 18:27
David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented the full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.

As you can see, king david obviously had god's favor so he could go on his merry way to get them foreskins. They were the enemy so it's all good lol.

@KTC:
Well, that's war. What can we expect from that?

Young David was a good kid who always obeyed God. Hence, God was happy about that and supported him at wars, and brought him to the highest role in Israel.

So if the terrorists are warring on you, they can cut your foreskins and Are-A-Pe- you?
That's not a good analogy

KTC: as someone pretty intelligent once said, "I don't see the reasoning of being able to 'pick and choose' what you want from the bible"


read a bit further, and it says David wasn't allowed to build god's temple because he had sinned.

and besides, if that, the time David spent being chased down by his own former armies, and finally losing his son as an enemy in battle wasn't painful enough, there's the part where he still has to face judgement after his death.


Shadowshed: I know, and I agree. Our disagreement is regarding who that approval comes from: God, or just other people who profit from those deaths.

@Wolfie


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That is what KTC was saying about sins in the first place. That people pick and choose what is a sin and what isn't.

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Going back to what I said in post #46, people who do that are wrong. and as far as I can tell, nobody here has said that wasn't so.

Back to the topic question, I'm not afraid of death or dying. I've been dreaming about dying, the effect isn't nightmarish though. there's an earthquake the whole ceiling falls over me, then nothing.
What I'm afraid of is the death of a close family member