@ Shadowshed - the state of Washington is a good example of Argoyle's explaination. We do have the death penalty, and not a day goes by that murder, robbery, rape and other crimes are committed. (does that make sense?) It happens every day. The felons seem to think that they are exempt from punishment.

I am sympathetic to the statements about prison luxuries. I believe in work-farms. They suppoert themselves, and excess food can be donated to charity. The fresh air and hard work is good for them. No tv, no radio, no newpapers, no cell phone, no computer. They would be healthier and too tired to cause trouble.

Unfortunately, I seem to be the only one who believes in work-farms

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That's an awesome idea. As long as security is provided

@Connie-Is there a place that work farms have been implemented? What an interesting concept!

@kipani-I don't know about comparing Asian countries (haven't looked into it), and it's not apples to apples since we have different systems, but the violent crime rate per capita in Canada is far lower than the violent crime rate per capita in the US and Canada does not have the death penalty. I don't actually think has anything to do with the death penalty question however, but instead to tougher gun control laws. If the ultimate goal of the death penalty is to scare people from committing violent crime I would look instead first to how to limit access to easy to kill weapons and the underlying reasons for crime.

@Jayshe

Tougher gun laws doesn't have anything to do with it. Some states have strict gun laws and they still have a high crime rate. The UK has strict gun laws and they still have a high crime rate.


Also, most people who buy guns to use them in crime, don't buy them legally. And your registration of guns has down absolutely nothing to lower crime.

@ Jayshe - I have never looked into it, truthfully. Although i know that in the old days they were common in the south, although the ones I heard about were brutal places that people often did not survive. I don't think that would be right, but I also don't believe that a life of ease and boredom it good either. There must be some common ground that would work.

I know the registration of guns hasn't done anything to lower crime-that's why the Conservatives want to kill it! The lower crime rates have existed far before the registration came into effect a few years ago.

It's also true that most of the guns that have been involved in violent crime have been attained illegally-in Toronto most can be chased back to being brought over illegally from the US. A lot of focus in Ontario is put on how to stop the flow of arms from the US. It wouldn't stop the underlying cause of crime but it would make it harder to commit.

The main focus on lowering violent crime is going after the underlying reasons. Per capita (again Canada) the highest violent crime actually happens in Saskatoon and Regina. Now that can be a whole argument in itself, with a lot of questions against poverty and the proportion of natives and how they're treated.

Banning guns has no effect on crime rates. It just means people who like guns, and who want to buy them legally can't.

Getting rid of guns won't stop crime, or trying to do so won't. It'll just waste money. Criminals can just as easily turn to knives or other weapons.

But seeing as how this has nothing to do with the topic, I'll stop here.

@connie: work farms sounds nice because at least there would be some results from their labor but unfortunately, those annoying human rights activists would be all over it like hyenas to a fresh kill. *facepalm*

Another thing I think prisons should do is fairly simple: Make the inmates wear pink clothing. I can't find the article, but it mentioned a sheriff making all the inmates wear pink. Crime dropped.

Nothing more un-masculine and dangerous to a man than making him wear pink clothing. Also, should make it skirts and blouses instead of a jumpsuit. Stays perfectly within the confines of human rights and is humiliating

@ ktc - hahahahahahahaha! Maybe Tutus made of pink tulle! Gosh you crack me up! They would kill themselves and save us the cost.

@connie: yes! exactly! pink tutus = ultimate crime preventer XD

Oh, then. That might be the fact, so i'd reconsider.*facepalms*

Death penalty: just some random excuse to kill your enemy. Death penalty usually judged to the high criminals, that really deserved to die. For example corruptors that had been doing their trick for years. If they're caught and were judged by public to get that death penalty, then the others who wanted to take the role will up for it.

Thus, who knows that that rich men bribe the policies?

KTC: perfect!!

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*You* didn't offend me. Your statement did. The debate on the death penalty is a staple for many tournaments. To blatantly make the statement that it is a deterrent for crime is in the same vein as saying that homosexuals are unnatural in a gay marriage debate. It's common knowledge that other animals demonstrate homosexuality just as how it's common knowledge that the death penalty is not a deterrent for crime. I jumped on it because I found it outrageous.

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That point is moot. The murder rates and crime rates are based on last year's numbers. If the death penalty really were a deterrent, it would only have to be abolished for a year or two before the numbers shot up, wouldn't it?

Now please, address the issues I brought up in my previous post. I'm anxious to hear your rebuttal.

If there would be cakes in heaven, then everybody deserve to die.

But in our real world, people are actually "not allowed" to die just easily not under circumstances. For example ambushes, assassinations. What do people did for them to deserve such treatment right? Would they get something out of it when they remain in purgatory?

Some people do deserve to die, but I don't believe it's within a single person's right to act on that, with the possible exception of self-defense.

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Sorry, I meant it the other way around; I don't classify mercy killings as murder. Just messed up the words

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I think this presents a good point. But it also brings the afterlife into question. There's a difference between deserving to have your life taken from you, and deserving to go onto your next life (if there is one). So does a serial killer deserve to die, if after death he/she is presented with another life? Or, if the heaven/hell is true, does he/she deserve to go to hell? *Or* if all that happens after you die is that you rot in the ground, does the killer deserve that?

If someone murders others (like a serial killer), then the problem with murder is that maybe it's not doing much? You take the life away from that person, stopping him/her from taking other's lives, but if someone can needlessly kill others, then what is death to him/her?

And to guns? I quote something I read somewhere (can't remember where, might have even been on this site)

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Sorry if this is off-topic.

@goldgall: What does whether or not cakes are available in heaven got anything to do with afterlife? Also, whoever dies, regardless of whether you’re a saint or a mass murderer, your body is going to decay in the earth. As for afterlife, don’t know; never died before.

I find it hilarious when suicide bombers are executed.

@connie/ktc: that means we’ll run out of pink tutus.

@lovinlife: impossible, pink tutus aren't expensive to make. Specially since they would be made for prisoners so the quality of the material can be very cheap.

@ lovinlife -quote 'I find it hilarious when suicide bombers are executed.'

That is exceedingly ironic!

Sorry. By cakes in heaven, I meant like does the person dying deserve the afterlife, if it's a nice happy one.

lol for the irony of suicide bombers.

love the idea of prisoners wearing pink tutu's--imagine trying to do a daring hostage escape from a prison, wearing a pink tutu!

@ktc: not what I meant. Also, it is possible. Ever heard of something being more than the other? :p the number of criminals and people going to jail is never ending and infinite, maybe one day it might be even in surplus, than the pink tutus available that are required to be manufactured (as their uniforms). Overstatement of the era, btw.

@connie: oh yeah lol. Just imagine me in an execution chamber laughing my head out in the crowd, despite the fact that everyone one else is in shock and trauma, while watching a suicide bomber chained to an implementation bed slowly have a lethal injection go through his skin …...O_o

@goldgall: ever watched Prison Break before?