@theone: how bout in this situation, shoving anyone regardless of gender is wrong

Cuz even if she was a dude in this case, I would still say kenneth started the fight because he responded by physical force.

rappelling in through the window would totally have been a better response.

Unfortunately, it's part of the many stereotypes in this society that women are always the victims of everything (regardless the fact that most domestic abuse is with women the attacker, etc etc etc.)

ken: did you actually shove her or what? before she slapped you I mean

I pushed her aside with the hand, like opening a door.

Kenneth, you still shouldn't have put a hand on her period. Unless you're acting in self defense, you really have no right to put a hand on someone else without their consent.

There were better ways to handle this situation.

Well, unless maybe to tap her on the shoulder or something.

Maybe if you waited and the teacher saw that the girl was blocking you (and, if I'm not mistaken, the many other people also telling her to move), the girl would actually get reprimanded.

Ken, to me it doesn't sound like you actually did anything wrong until after getting slapped.

Unfortunately, as I mentioned, peoples' prejudices will say the woman had a right to attack a guy no matter what's actually going on (& without actually bothering to find out either)

The only defense I know (if it's not like, a gf or close friend or whatever) is to do your best not to react. If she slaps you, it may as well have been a tree branch getting blown around in the wind. If she's the only one who's angry, she'll seem the irrational one. People might still try to blame you but they won't be able to justify it for long.
(plus, it's a decent way to get back at her since having slapped you will only have resulted in increasing her own irritation)

@kenneth: is she alwayz like tht...or wz she upset about sumthin? "knee down nd ask 4r forgiveness" Lol tht is a nice line 4r sumone who is pissed, no offense

Here is sumthin really amusin to do...i do it a lot...go to her nd apologize 4r ur actions.i.e. slighty moving frm ur path....nd then see her reaction.
U may nt like it nd probably many of the people around u won't....Bt i remember this particular person in my high school....a real dirtbag...he would sell his mother if tht meant tht he would get out of trouble...or so i thought....we gt into a fight he came frm behind nd shoved me....i wz pissed about nt gettin A+ in my paper(i wz doin o-lvls then)...regardless whether it wz an accident or nt i hit him square on the nose....nd then the ferocious mindless swearing started...he wouldn't hit me cause he wz a coward or so i though....nd i din't hit him cause well i hate fightin...

point is mistake wz mine i shouldn't have hit him whther he shoved me puposely or nt. However the next day i went nd apologized to him... nd went to the teacher nd explaineed the plight....because i had a gud record they didn't call my parents...

However i started standin up 4r him...to make it up to him....he the one day gt pissed nd told me to get lost nd sweared sayin sumthin bad about my mother.....

Normally i dn't take kindly to tht...bt i noticed a wound on his hand...a nasty wound...like sumone takes a lighted cigarette nd stuffs it deep into ur hand.....I asked him wat happened? this wz followed by more swearing....i grabbed both his hands nd asked him wat wz wrong nd i wz there 4r him as a friend....

4r years he had acted like a total jerk bt ryt then suddenly he jst melted away nd lifted up his sleeve...nd showed me burn marks on his arm....i asked him who did this....i though he self inflicted them....He didn't reply said sumthin about a stove nd jst rejected talkin to me....

Later on he told me it wz his father....i ofcourse did nt buy this as child abuse wz new to me....i of course said i believed him nd he then started to sit with me in the classes in the later days to cum nd he turned out to be a gud guy after all....

During our A-lvls his dad gt arrested 4r importin drugs nd child abuse....he wz of course takin away...nw he is doin BBA honours...

Sry i gt carried away.....bt my point bein tht no one is originally a jerk....there is alwayz a reason

Of course it is entirely possible tht tht particular person jst doesn't like u....in tht case u can find y tht particular person dislikes u or u can choose nt to care

Oh one more thing when sumone slaps u....regardless of gender....it is always gud to do sumthin unexpected....hitting sumone back is expected....when sumone slaps me holds me by the collar i stand straight nd dignified nd smile nd then provoke him to hit me..(nt insult him mind u, bt simple provocation like NO PLZ DON"T HIT ME PLZ,PLZ) When i did the first time the guy burst out laughin......then it gt old...of course the best line is "u can choose to hit me bt i will nt hit u back"...stops any fight....uhhh...sry if this out of topic...thought u needed help...

Oh nd subject arrogant people to extremeely sarcastic comments...it really pisses them off...bt do this when u r in a sadistic mood

in normal cases choose any solution frm the above posts they all will do...there is no harm in diplomatic comments


Edited to remove profanity. Even putting asterisks to hide the word isn't allowed. And merged posts. Please don't double post, just use the edit button to add more information.
~Mopiece

Please people, I beg you. Please use proper English.
P.S- Still think you should be snide to her

Hmmm...tht's the second time...i should definitely brush up on my english.

@mopiece:- Will go through forum rules again sry

Since we both did O'levels and both have English as a second Language, I'm pretty sure you can improve if you try

@theone:- yes sir i will double read my posts nd endaveour to strive 4r perfection...(notice the spellin mistakes, i hate correctin them. also note the large use of vocabulary in small places)

Actually i normally get the message across in forums even with my ridiculous english....so i dn't bother tryin the day it becomes unreadable will i follow the advice of my first 2 sentences

Wait Kenneth, let me get this straight. You HAVEN'T learned how to tap into your Mean Girl powers yet? Words can do things your fists never dreamed of. No need to get physical at all, open your mouth and use what evolution gave you to teach her a lesson or two.

@Nick- Kenneth is a guy

I think mean girl just refers to the 'I am the alpha person here rawr' powers. Basically, proving your dominance by being eh, verbally mean right back.

Believe me, I started after that event to "poke" her verbally as much as I could, I drove her mad, because a my b-day, she spent her whole evening trying to annoy me on FB, and it was quite amusing seeing her looking dumb and the others looking at her like she's on drugs. XD But the people did not say anything of me slapping her, I actually heard them say "Someone finally teaches that swine a lesson.", so practically, I did nothing wrong, just in the teacher's eyes is "bad".

@kenneth:- U did nuthin wrong? well forgive me, last i checked u slammed a girl who is younger than u.....nd she wz nt ur younger sis....well frm where i m frm...hitting girls is sometimes considered a sign of a person bein real short-tempered....
Kudos on the pokin....tht is if u didn't try to jst pick another fight...
Lookin it at frm a teacher's perspective....imagine u're in the teacher's place nd a guy slams a girl...regardless of her actions....wat do u say?

Considerin tht u ,as the teacher, might have...,bear with me,....a daughter or a younger sis of the same age...nd then the girl does a pathetic imitation of bein hurt nd makes those soulful eyes at u....while the guy is jst starin at her like he hates her the most in this world.....i dn't know....this does look like a bad scenario 4r the guy.....however bringin justice into the argument....the bright side is if u ever become a teacher nd if a guy slammed a girl u'll would know wat to do

Ummm, my excuse: I'm gay, mostly. I can hit girls easily, but on boys, it's a bit harder. The irony...

@kenneth:- so u're bisexual?....nvr mind tht....so wat do u do with arrogant guys? Mouth them off? or jst try to avoid them?

Mind I say it's not your business about what I do with boys and girls? I would like to focus this topic on the idea of "knee down and ask for forgiveness" idea. i know it wasn't good, in a certain amount of measure, but I want to focus on that line more.

@kenneth: what are you talking about? focus on the line how?

Not to start a fight, but how do we know you are remembering it correctly? Is there anyone else who can confirm that's what she said exactly?

Unless you mean a general 'why you must kneel and ask for forgiveness' in different situations. I can think of a religious one and erm...plenty of dirty ones lol.