According to Oracle Galahad is too good, probably because he didn't eat anyone yet, so he got corrupted. Somehow. But Galahad didn't even touch the staff. So it must be the Realm itself. I don't get what LOL-rules the Demon Realm is going by

Galahad's idea of evil is apparently "let me turn you back, wife, and we omnom people together yay! And also help evil!Mel rule the world while we're at it".

RE "staff + Mel = Evil Mel": That's the entire reason why in my cracknon the Darkthrops descended from the daevas. Coz Mel being a demon's descendant makes her have this tiniest bit of evil to make her not really corrupted until she got the staff And also a random excuse to involve the daevas again. I'm convinced the canon Darkthrops are just regular people though. Regular people who spawned a powerful nutcase like Mordred. How in the world he managed to make a magic item that can bring someone back to life AND revert vampires' undead-ness is beyond me.

So as to not make this conversation too off-topic... Demon Realm should return in AV4 so we can understand more of whatever troll-rules it works by!!!

Now that I think of it, I remember it being mentioned somewhere that the evilness is subconscious. Mel wanting to help people around doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not she's evil yet. She THINKS she's helping the world by taking over the world because she has good ideals... And she didn't even know she's been possessed... She still thinks she's doing something great... So...

well hw about introducing skills that r learned over time when a "no magic" charactr gains a level---like Devin in AP.

Well that is a nice touch. That is sorta a good idea depending on the characters.

Soum is right! Non-magic characters should have skills that got added to them as they level up. It's not fair if they have to really on strong weapons. There are skills that you can do without magic. Myabe some kind of special feint with a sword, or flying drop-kick, or Chuck Norris roundhouse kick or whatever. Instead of MP, it should say "energy" or something. Or heck, make the stronger attacks use up HP ("blood" skills) and just keep the MP meter zero.

A non MP skill for sword users like Sword throw would be good. But their skills able to level up like how June's and Iya's skills level up.

Which is what we're talking about already.

I added skill level up for non MP users to the talk.

No, soumyakhana was the one who first mentioned it. You weren't reading properly again, were you?

I mean it in a different way. Let say you start with Stab. 5 levels later you forget stab and gain slice and so on. She say like how Devin did. He gained skills only but they used MP. None upgraded. Those where all different.

Again, you're not reading properly. I made a remark about skills for non-MPs right after soumya. Devin is a non-magic user. His skills are NOT MP. It's probably "energy" or "skill point", like what I said. Making the techniques for non-magic people to be cost-free would be unfair for the magic-users.

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princessbinas said:
"She say like how Devin did."
@princessbinas: i m a boy.....
@d_a :that WAS MP in the case of devin.idea of using strength (hmmm....stamina would be better) is nice.



suggestion:
more new creatures can be introduced like "orcs" were in av 3....
mermaids maybe......

Meh, same difference. My thought was that non-magic people that absolutely can't use magic like Galahad and Te'ijal should actually get more skills. Te'ijal has her vampire mumbo-jumbo, but those were lost when she's human. Galahad had nothing. I say that they should have non-magic skills, like some kind of super-slash or combo attack or just WHATEVER technique. Because they don't have MP, then maybe it should cost them health instead.

Though why should it cost health. It's not like you have to slash yourself to get a more powerful combo. I can maybe see it happen for vamps since they're all about the blood anyway.

If the melee character happens to be human, than they really shouldn't be using HP.

If anything, the non-magic human skills should be based on number of turns imo. It gets tiring to use xx slash so melee character needs to rest a few rounds before using xx slash again.

@D_A: Please replay Ahriman's Prophecy again. You will see Devin DOES have MP.

@soumyakhanna: Sorry. I didn't realize you where a boy. And I edging for a character that can level up skills without MP. Like say a sword mistress that has no MP once o' ever can level up her skills.

i agree with KTC's idea special skills should cost turns......

and,weapons should have some skills too.
equiping the weapon would enable the character to use that skill....
for ex.:equip a whip, and u get a skill "strangle"

@princessbinas: He does have MP, but in that case it's used as energy points instead of magic points. Canonically Devin cannot use magic, and his skills are also not magically inclined. They're just sword techniques.

Rhen, however, can use magic.

I think one thing I really liked about Aveyond I as compared to the other Aveyonds is how most characters got to use magic and has a large variety of skills, even the supposedly melee ones like Rhen.

Except for Mad Marge, whom not even the protagonists like because she can drink off their wealth and can't hit worth her salt or affection for Pirate John...

Add orphanage to the teaser list and a brand new boy.

Ooh! The new game has an orphaned boy as the protagonist? I wonder if he's also a rat-eating thief?

Maybe he'll turn out to be not orphaned after all, and he'll find his family in Veldarah - Lars VII (VIII?) and that's why Mel falls for him


(disclaimer - I still haven't seen the outline for AV4, so any comment from me about the plot is pure speculation ... for now)