And humans, if nothing else, have proven to be able to endure hardship for long periods of time and even their whole life, especially more so if they have a lot on the line.

Staying in the closet isn't anything new considering LGBTQ people have been around as long as the straight ones. It's the getting them recognized as normal human beings that is still a new concept which people fight over obviously.

So while I agree there's a maximum threshold for people, most of us will never reach that point in our lives because we've all been conditioned and taught to endure. Even more so when the cons (high likelihood of being raped, killed, harassed, etc.) can often far outweigh the pros (being out).

Which brings me back to my original point that, if you're residing in a place that is known for bigotry/violence against LGBT/etc., being alive and whole by maintaining a low profile is generally preferable to being beaten due to being out.

Your point is of remaining in closet. Yet, referring to the case in my city, nobody apart from them knew that each other was gay, yet, the policeman assaulted them in their own house. How can you explain such a thing? Does being closeted still protect you?

If they assaulted them without knowing they were gay, how is it a hate crime?

Because it was at night, when they were together in bed, and at the police section they got mocked and beaten.

@kenneth: How are they closeted if they are members of the LGBT community? That's a pretty blatant statement that they are out or at least are allies of the LGBT community. Which is like painting a target sign on your back to homophobic people.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but my point is: people will generally look out for the skins first, ideals second. Being out can be a death sentence in certain areas. If you have some type of support group like an LGBT community to help/support you, than one might think about being out since you have allies.

Everybody who's gay is a member of the LGBT community, for God's sake. I should mention that the president of the LGBT Support Organization pretty much took the case to the court.

gay people r human too.they have rights and should be treated just like other people......

@Soumya If only more people would think like that....

@kenneth: All gay people aren't part of the community. Closeted people do not want part of it, 'converted ie I was once gay but due to xxx camp am now straight' aren't part of it, haters who are secretly gay want to destroy the LGBT community, etc.

Also, how would that community help you out if they aren't there in your location? Not every place has a strong LGBT community where there are allies to help you. Some are very conservative/fearful/hateful that being out will be very bad for you.

I feel bad about using theone again to make a point, but he said that in Pakistan being out will pretty much put you on the streets and paint a large target sign to humiliate, harass, and kill.

If you have a community present in your area, than good for you. But not everyone is as privileged as you and therefore shouldn't be encouraged to do something that might get them killed.

Sides in the end, we're looking at this from opposite sides of the spectrum:
While I may be loud about rights online, you can bet that I would grovel/hide/etc. if it meant keeping my family and myself safe.

You're more inclined to be "out and proud, to devil with the consequences" even if those consequences can be very bad for you.

Agreeing with pretty much everything you said, KTC, I must say one last thing, that I'd rather face the reality than hiding. For me, that's not an option...


Also, I want to ask a moderator lock this topic, as well, in the process to delete this last post with the request. Thank you. I would like the topic to remain open only if others still want to take the talk further, otherwise I'd like it locked.


Merged posts.
~Mopiece