yeah, no kidding. its: 20% of the population is bi, gay, lesbian, transgendered or asexual, so i figured about half of that would be just gay/lesbian. XD

i think a larger part of the population is more open to bi-curious tendencies than they realize...there is a trend about young women to experiment more which asks the question - do some people "experiment" out of true sexual curiosity or out of a need to push the envelope in a society where it has become "cool" for such things...or does it mean that the trend exists because the media brings it to the lap of the mainstream audience, thus making it easier for those who have those natural tendencies to be more open with them?...

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@KTC: No idea. If I did, I would know if I'm an asexual or not for sure. XD I guess we would need to know where the platonic line is first.

@aisling: haha, point taken XD

@serendipity: There's probably some pressure to experiment, since I know for me college was always 'proclaimed' as the experimenting time lol. Though i think much depends on the individual in the first place and whether they would be open to experimenting.

Like for me, the idea of a relationship with anyone (guy or girl) sounds tedious and too much work. (Or that's just my sloth side showing XD)

And it depends on your environment too. like, if you live in a homophobic area, i doubt you would experiment.

KTC: OH MY GOD. ive seen that movie. the lady drove me insaaaane; her son amused me so much though.

self definition is like the most major part of knowing if youre gay/bi/trans/asexual. you can have homosexual behaviors and tendancies and still consider yourself straight, that DOESNT mean other people will though. me and maren has an arguement about this actually XD she would consider him bi or gay, and i said: he can be whatever he wants. it all comes down to what you define and know of yourself, and what society says. which can be at odds, yeah its confusing.

so i would say if your not usually attracted to either sex, then your probably asexual, that doesnt mean you cant be attracted to someone. just like a straight guys can have a male crush, or gay man can find a girl hot.

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I must admit I've lost count of the number of people who have assumed or accused me of being bi or bicurious. I am flirtatious by nature... always have been. Because of it, I gain friends easily. But I also tend to have a stronger relationship with people than someone who's just flirting.
@how you know/nature vs nurture... a very good friend of mine and I are trying to figure this out. His older (much) brother told him at five that he was bi. His whole family and church have supported him in this since then. This would be a very good beginning argument for nurture. BUT... he has since started wondering if he really is bi... because of me. I'm strongly attracted to him... and he me. Apparently... I'm the only person who's truly attracted him. And he's not had a boyfriend since the first time we started dating... a year and a half ago. It's like he suddenly realized a blindfold had been placed over his eyes instead of a switch needing to be flipped or the sun needing to rise in the sky. It's a very strong argument for nature that this happened with him.
Also... I've had countless females flirt with me... and one has consistently placed me in compromising positions that would have caused any other-than-straight individual to stop breathing... but after unsuccessfully fighting a few times... I resigned myself to the inevitable fact that she would pet my head. >.< SO I know for sure I'm straight... and I always will be. But there was never really a doubt in my mind as to that fact. *shrugs*
It's all up to your body's reaction to things really... when Tristie put me in less tempting positions... well... I thought I was gonna need oxygen. But when she did it so much more intensely... all I felt was annoyance. So I know without a doubt... because I care for both of them deeply.

EDIT: OH... and I suppose the fact that I easily and comfortably play/write a bi/omnisexual(to understand the omni you'd have to read) female in Exsors is interesting to me. Granted... Kayle is based on certain people I know... but I still manage it without awkwardness.

i flirt a lot more with girls than i do with guys... its just easier and flows smoother and plus i dont have to be bothered by sexual attraction.

@ marian: lol i had to read that a few times to understand. at 5? wow, i would smack his brother, let him be whatever he wants. geez. HOWEVER, this happens all the time, but the other way around.

lol... yeah... I can get pretty rambly... 'specially when I'm not entirely sure what I'm saying... or rather how I'm saying it.
Yeah at FIVE, because of that, I've not been allowed to meet his brother... even on the phone. Tristie knows all too well how carried away my temper gets me...

at five? does that mean five in the morning? or five years old? O.o? < Get's confused easily x-x;;

@nick/marian: eh, yee flirts

Five years old. Meaning... he's been told he's bi for 11 years.

"yee flirts" that a gleeful "yee" or an agreeing one? *raises eyebrow*

dang, 5 year old? way too early. Sounds like a 'goal' of sorts..

yee flirts= just teasing and me messing with spelling.

mmk. XD. I rarely notice when I'm flirting... but I highly doubted I'd done it on a forum... just in case though, I needed to check for implications there.
Yeah... I think it was more revenge... his brother's girlfriend told her little brother too... so the two of them... well, I think they were the youngest boyfriends in history.

LOL @ gaydar. I also have terrible gaydar. Out of my four gay friends, I only really suspected one to be gay but then, so did everybody else. In fact, we were all 99% sure he was gay (take every gay male stereotype out there and he's all of them rolled into one, plus there were other clues). The only reason we had that 1% doubt was because one of us asked him point-blank if he was gay and he, at the time, denied it.

But for some reason, I never suspected my other gay male friend was, well, gay. After he came out, it was the topic of discussion between me and our other friends and everyone told me, "I always suspected he was gay. What? You didn't? How you could you not see it?" to which I answered, "Good question."

As for my two lesbian friends, I only slightly suspected but only because they were on our girls' rugby team...and there were already a bunch of lesbians there >_>

And I agree that it's easier to joke and "flirt" with the gender you're not sexually attracted to. I joke around with heavy innuendo all the time with my female friends but to do it with guys is just awkward for me >.< And my gay guy friends are always making sexual jokes with us girl friends (although the flamboyant guy's jokes can be a little awkward sometimes because, often, he's a little too open, if you know what I mean -_-; )

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I think we've sorta discussed this before, but I'm much the same way XD I've never before been in a relationship but, from what I've seen, it's far too much work and drama that I don't need in my life. I can live without a boyfriend

Returning on-topic, I'll share my opinions about that...
I've not read ALL the posts, so yeah, maybe some arguments already has been said.

I read that , in some countries, being gay is being an outlaw. I don't know if this is true or not (but I seriously hope not... lol).
I am 100% in favor of gay relationships (being bisexual myself), but on the gay marriage question, I'm kinda split. Because for me, "married" is almost synonym of "parents" . Of course, gay couples cannot have child in the "natural" way. Through with the technology, they found a way to make a woman pregnent, so, in a lesbian couple, having childrens could be done this way. (I don't think they could make a guy pregnent, through.. XD ) And masculine-gay couples could adopt a child. But, my opinions on gay couples to have child are fairly splited. Because, just think about it. A child who raises in homosexual environnement. Today, I can attest that some pepole, some childs/teens at school/high school can be really cruel with the discrimination part. Let's say this child who's born from a gay couple gets discriminated because of that, we can talk of being discriminated from elementary school until university, and maybe after. You just can't tell it's impossible for the children to get psychological aftermaths . The child could devlop homophobia, xenophobia, or in the inverse, become homosexual too. But even if it's possible, it will not be in all the cases and the joy of becoming parents is said like being the most enjoyable experence ever. If it's true, then , it should be grant to everyone. But again, if the child devlops homophobia because of its homosexual parents, their parent heart will certainly make them suffer for long. And that's something we'd want to avoid.

I end my post saying that Gay Marriages should allowed. But on adoption / artificial procreation part, I'm kinda so-so .

i can understand that, astral... that was a really good point which I don't believe has been made yet.

i truthfully think discrimination makes you a stronger person. its sucks, but it does make you stronger, or you end up killing yourself. :\ as for a child developing homophobia with homosexual parents, i find that very unlikely.

As for being able to adopt kids, I think the question should be whether the "couple" will be good parents and able to raise the kid(s) well. I think many gay couple would be fine parents and that the kids currently in orphanages and foster homes might realy enjoy having a more stable environment.

Being in a "normal" family does not gaurantee the kids will not be picked for other reasons- like religion, appearance, monetary status... I think the real challenge is to keep schools open to all kids so they should not be afraid to go to school.

Just finished reading through what I had missed. And here are my opinions:

I don't believ there are people who are 100% straight or gay. I myself am about 95-98% straight, but I sometimes get caught up with a woman's beauty and have these sort of mini-crushes. Kissing a woman does nothing to me (I just end up analyzing her technique whereas with men, even those I'm not particularly attracted to, the technique is far from my mind at the time), and waking up next to one is not appealing to me in the least bit.

@Aeternus: I was just hoping to add to your point. I'm sorry that I made it look like I disagreed with you.

@Nick: Actually, it's not all that unlikely for a child of homosexual parents to become a homophobe, at least at some stage of his/her life. At one point I really hated Russians, because I thought that my Mum being Russian was the reason everyone bullied me at school. And I saw a documentary about gay couples and their children a while ago (I tried to remember which documentary it was, but I can't remember, I think it was Danish, though) and it said just about the same things Astral did.

@astral: i don't know about that. I mean, families have hecka problems, the least being the gender of the parents. To restrict gay parents purely because the kid could possibly be a homophobe... i don't know, that sounds like you might as well stop everyone from having kids. Since there's a danger for every family (regardless of sexuality, race,etc.) to have a spouse beater, a kid beater, a molester, a verbal abuser, a lousy drunk, a really bad gambler, etc. More often than not, the kids of these families become beaters/abused themselves when they grow up.

No family is perfect. Often all we can do is endure and go with the flow.

@ Mae: im going to agree and disagree with you at the same time. there have to be at least a small portion of people who are purely gay or straight. because thats part of natures natural variences, its kinda like a grading curve if you want to think of it that way: a few will fail, a lot will do fine, and another few will excell. and not saying this to be "proud" or whatever, but i can honestly say ive never been attracted to a women in the least, which is unusual even for gay men. that might change later in my life, who knows, but for now, im sure im 100% gay. but i do agree with you, i think a major portion of the population at least has a small percentage of bisexual in them. (but could possibly be repressed by gender roles, society, etc, etc...)